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Israel hastens plans for airstrike?

Published Wednesday, January 11, 2006 by Editor | E-mail this post

Not all nations are twiddling their thumbs while Iran inches ever closer to full nuclear capability. While the EU3 condemn Iran’s latest moves to resume nuclear research and the White House vows to keep “talking,” reports from Israel indicate that the Jewish state is seeking more drastic alternatives. While prime Minister Ariel Sharon may be incapacitated, the Israeli government continues to move ahead with plans for a strike on Iran.

The Israelis are well aware that they cannot stop the Iranian program outright. The Iranians learned their lesson from Osirak raid in 1981 and have dispersed research facilities across the country and even under ground. The best the Israelis can hope for is to delay the inevitable and inevitable it most certainly is. The Israeli strike would be filled with danger. The Israelis lack stealth technology and would be forced to rely on long range bombers like the F-15, such planes would be easy targets for Iran’s anti-aircraft batteries. Indeed, Iran recently made a deal with Russia to upgrade its anti-aircraft technology; no doubt, this deal has hastened Israel’s plans to move ahead before such weaponry is in place, as it would make a successful raid much less likely.

The Israelis are in a race against time that has been prompted by the complete and total failure of the EU3 (and to a lesser extent, the Bush Administration), who have done nothing of substance to halt Iran’s nuclear ambitions. The EU3 have offered Iran concessions, which have amounted to nothing more than favorable trade deals, but have taken no real steps to back up their word’s with actions. Sensing the empty threats and fears of meaningless sanctions, the Iranians, in a fashion reminiscent of Adolf Hitler, have not hesitated to continue their nuclear weapons plans. Those plans have been advanced by super-power hopefuls Russia and China who will stop at nothing to undermine the West, even at the expense of long-term global security. The Russians in particular, while condemning Iran’s nuclear actions through diplomatic channels, have been chiefly responsible for the current impasse.

Russia, however, will not have long to wait when the chickens come home to roost. Russia has seen its fair share of Islamic terrorism and we can be certain that once Iran proliferates nuclear technology throughout the radical Islamic world, the weapons used against Russians will bear their mark. It is therefore understandable that Israel’s thoughts have turned to preemption, as they did during the 1967 war. Israel, knows it cannot depend on anyone and since they would be the first target of a nuclear Iran, they rightly figure that they have nothing to loose. Unfortunately, for the rest of us a strike on Iran, be it now or later, will almost certainly lead to a wider war in the Middle East, perhaps the final war of Islamic conquest that radical Islam has been hoping for.
http://www.theherald.co.uk/news/53948.html

3 Responses to “Israel hastens plans for airstrike?”

bruce786 on January 11, 2006

Even though the below comments don't have much to do with your original article but related to it I would be interested in your views.

PLEASE READ THE FOLLOWING PASSAGES FROM THE BIBLE AS IT HAS IMPLICATIONS ON THE WAR AGAINST TERROR/ISLAM and the claim of Israel that god gave them the land. If the child is an infant than the Judeo-Christian version becomes null and void and we are wasting our time and resources i.e. we could save trillions of dollars and create a more peaceful world rather than fighting against Islam the religion of Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad (peace be upon them all).

The COVENANT with Abraham and his DESCENDANTS is central to islam/chritianity/judaism.

Please note this is not a competition between faiths but an attempt to decipher fact from fiction.

GENESIS 16:16
And Hagar bore Abram a son; and Abram called the name of his son, whom Hagar bore, Ishmael. Abram was eighty-six years old when Hagar bore Ishmael to Abram.
GENESIS 21:5
Abraham was a hundred years old when his son Isaac was born to him.

At Genesis 22 Abraham had only 2 sons others came later. The Quran mentions that it was Ishmael that was sacrificed hence the reference in genesis 22:2 your only son can only mean someone has substituted Ishmael names for Isaac!!

BY DOING SOME KINDERGARTEN ARITHMATIC USING ARABIC NUMBERS (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10)
NOT ROMAN NUMERALS (I, II, III,IV,V,VI,VII,VIII,IX,X) NB no concept of zero in roman numerals.

100 years old – 86 years old = 14 ADD 3 YEARS FOR ISSAC’S WEANING

THAT WOULD MAKE ISHMAEL 17 YEARS OLD IN GENESIS 21:14-21
BUT IT IS A DESCRIPTION OF AN INFANT.

Carefully read several times the above passage and then tell me the mental picture you get between the mother child interactions what is the age of the child. If the mental picture is that of a 17 year old child being carried on the shoulder of his mother, being physically placed in the bush, crying like a baby, mother having to give him water to drink, than the Islamic viewpoint is null and void.

I have shown the passage of Genesis 21 to my two elder children of good reading ages now and without influencing them asked them what mental picture they got about the age of Ishmael in that passage and they thought he was about 5 years old. I have also tried the same thing with my work colleagues some of whom are qualified with PhD’s and have the ENGLISH language as their mother tongue and they also said they thought Ishmael was 5 years or younger because some of them stated by themselves that there was no verbal interaction between mother and child. i.e. If Ishmael is not of talking age then he must be less than a year old.

GENESIS:21:14 - 21
So Abraham rose early in the morning, and took bread and a skin of water, and gave it to Hagar, putting it on her shoulder, along with the child, and sent her away. And she departed, and wandered in the wilderness of Beer-Sheba. When the water in the skin was gone, she cast the child under one of the bushes. Then she went, and sat down over against him a good way off, about the distance of a bowshot; for she said, “Let me not look upon the death of the child.” And as she sat over against him, the child lifted up his voice and wept. And God heard the voice of the lad; and the angel of God called to Hagar from heaven, and said to her, “What troubles you, Hagar? Fear not; for God has heard the voice of the lad where he is. Arise, lift up the lad, and hold him fast with your hand; for I will make him a great nation.” Then God opened her eyes, and she saw a well of water; and she went, and filled the skin with water, and gave the lad a drink. And God was with the lad, and he grew up; he lived in the wilderness, and became an expert with the bow. He lived in the wilderness of Paran; and his mother took a wife for him from the land of Egypt.

AS THE DESCRIPTION OF ISHMAEL IN GENESIS 21:14-21 IS THAT OF AN INFANT IT CAN BE ASSUMED SOMEONE HAS MOVED THIS PASSAGE FROM AN EARLIER PART OF SCRIPTURE!!! AND HAVE GOT THERE KNICKERS IN A TWIST.

For background info on the future religion of mankind see the following websites:

http://www.al-sunnah.com/muhammad_in_the_bible.htm (MUHAMMAD IN THE BIBLE)
http://www.witness-pioneer.org/vil/Books/MB_BQS/default.htm (Quran and Science)
http://www.harunyahya.com/
http://www.barnabas.net/
http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac.htm
http://www.islamicity.com/
http://www.islamonline.net/english/index.shtml

HOLY QURAN CHAPTER 37 verses 101 - 122

101. So We gave him the good news of a boy ready to suffer and forbear.

102. Then, when (the son) reached (the age of) (serious) work with him, he said: "O my son! I see in vision that I offer thee in sacrifice: Now see what is thy view!" (The son) said: "O my father! Do as thou art commanded: thou will find me, if Allah so wills one practising Patience and Constancy!"

103. So when they had both submitted their wills (to Allah., and he had laid him prostrate on his forehead (for sacrifice),

104. We called out to him "O Abraham!

105. "Thou hast already fulfilled the vision!" - thus indeed do We reward those who do right.

106. For this was obviously a trial-

107. And We ransomed him with a momentous sacrifice:

108. And We left (this blessing) for him among generations (to come) in later times:

109. "Peace and salutation to Abraham!"

110. Thus indeed do We reward those who do right.

111. For he was one of our believing Servants.

112. And We gave him the good news of Isaac - a prophet,- one of the Righteous.

113. We blessed him and Isaac: but of their progeny are (some) that do right, and (some) that obviously do wrong, to their own souls.

114. Again (of old) We bestowed Our favour on Moses and Aaron,

115. And We delivered them and their people from (their) Great Calamity;

116. And We helped them, so they overcame (their troubles);

117. And We gave them the Book which helps to make things clear;

118. And We guided them to the Straight Way.

119. And We left (this blessing) for them among generations (to come) in later times:

120. "Peace and salutation to Moses and Aaron!"

121. Thus indeed do We reward those who do right.

122. For they were two of our believing Servants.

ISHMAEL IS THE FIRST BORN AND GOOD NEWS OF ISSAC DOES NOT APPEAR UNTIL AFTER THE SACRIFICE?????

Therefore the claim that god gave the land to Israel is destroyed without the need of any WMD’s.
The Phalanx on January 11, 2006

Without going point by point on this laundry list of biblical references, I can assume that you argue that Israel has no basis for its existence? The fact of the matter is Israel does exist, regardless of the deeds of its founder (be those deeds meritorious or acrimonious) and regardless of imagined biblical loopholes. With few exceptions, an objective person can look at the founding of almost every country on Earth and argue that its founders didn’t have a legitimate claim to all or portions of the land they now posses. That is certainly the case with every single country in North and South America, the “Muslim” lands of the Middle East, most of modern day China and Russia and a number of countries in Europe. So what are we to do? Fight endless battles over the claims of our dead ancestors and forefathers? Are we to blame for the sins of our fathers? Today, even the PLO recognizes Israel’s right to exist (at least nominally), the premise of individuals like Mahmoud Ahmadinejad who claim Israel has no place in the family of nations is without merit. Israel has as much claim to exist as Iran or any other nation. To argue that Israel’s past, which is no less tainted than that of its neighbors, justifies its annihilation is absurd.
bruce786 on January 13, 2006

Israel is only modern country which insists that god gave them this land how many other countries claim this?

This claim is debunked by one passage from the bible i.e from their own scripture.

They move illegal immigrants from eastern europe into palestinian territories. How many european contries would allow illegal immigrants to enter into there terrortories like that? Do you think they would welcome them with open arms?
If the citizens of these countries fought back with these armed settlers would they be called terrorists?